president obama is out there with chris christie, and they are best friends now. and they are sharing ice cream cones. and but the government has an obligation, i think to rebuild new orleans and katrina and to rebuild new jersey, do they not? >> they do not. they have an obligation to get out of the way so you can rebuild if you want and provide roads and infrastructure. >> who is going to do that though? >> free people who choose to do that. >> bill: so a storm or earthquake or tornado rips apart a town and you say the government shouldn't help out at all? >> the government should keep the peace, make sure there is no looting. >> no rebuilding money at all? >>. no. >> who is going to do that? >> free private individuals who have the money, who bought private insurance. who want to take the risk. >> you know, there is a lot of different circumstances of people who rent, people who do. this you say no relief at all? >> no relief at all. charities do it better. fema is incompetent. fema -- >> bill: new orleans might not exist today under your -- it might not be the